are there any posters here who also read and/or post on the forums at richard-dawkins.net?
it seems as though a large number of xjws post there.
there are some really good and thought provoking points made, from a slightly different perspective.. just wondering!.
Alot of good points jaguarbass
Richard Dawkins is incredibly self centered and arrogant as far as I am concerned - which does not help his cause!
I also think he gets to much publicity - he is held in almost godlike status by some.
He will be loving it of course - cha ching - ££££££££££
do atheists celebrate christmas, the celebration of christ's birth?.
if so, why?.
I suppose your right, but god dammit it's so hard to do when I haven't been in the position of belief in the Deity for so long I forget that people really get offended over slights in their imaginary friend. Anyway I do it in jest I hope you understand.
I appreciate their was a lot of jest in what you said - no problem.
imaginary friend
Now cut out the jokes!!!
do atheists celebrate christmas, the celebration of christ's birth?.
if so, why?.
frankiespeakin
I can understand where you are coming from.
My simple point is just that not everyone has the same beliefs on JWN. (a fairly obvious point - I know!!!)
I have had my fair share of debates with atheists/evolutionists on this board - but debate/discussion/sharing opinions - is a good thing.
Just try and show a wee bit of respect for others beliefs - even if you think they are totally barking up the wrong tree entirely.
I bet you used the direct approach in the ministry!!!!!
Hope you had a good christmas - may the new year bring us all some happiness.......
do atheists celebrate christmas, the celebration of christ's birth?.
if so, why?.
Can I just say I have read all of the posts on this subject - interesting stuff - but - "frankiespeakin" - you have not came across well.
Its ok being an atheist - I have no problem with that.
Personally I believe in a God but I respect people who don't - each to there own and all that.
Try and meet people in the middle man.
The scotsman
i've been conditioned since childhood that i'm going to live forever.
i'm having a hard time contemplating the fact that i'm going to die.
i'm so afraid of death that i can't enjoy the life i have now.
I went through the exact same process - I was overcome by a fear of death.
Give it time - you will adapt.
Remind yourself that you are now dealing with the facts of the matter and not the WT lies.
Also - because the WT had a lot wrong - does not mean that there is no hope.
I for one have maintained a strong belief in God and that we can face the future with confidence.
Whatever you decide to believe the key I suppose is this - do not let the future (that has'nt happened yet) take away your joy today. Their is so much to live for.......
prayer.. billions of people have been praying for hundreds of years for peace.
other billions pray for happiness for mankind.
not one evidence exists that he hears or that he cares.. can anyone provide solid evidence that god answers prayers.
((( Was my prayer answered? Or was it just circumstances/chance/fate/timing/health/doctor competence that held?)))
You dont know the answer to the question - nobody does - it is a pointless example.
Prayer is all about faith - does the person believe that praying makes any difference. Obviously millions of people think it does make a difference.
When it comes to understanding the very essence of God and what God is, we humans just are unable to do it. Can any of us visualise in our mind the sheer size of the universe - No - but its there - its real. Because mere humans struggle to make sense of something does not make it less of a reality.
Some who have posted here have clearly had honest hearted prayers unanswered - does that mean that all prayers go unanswered?
I have had many examples related to me over the years of those who have had prayers answered in very specific ways.
Many of my prayers appear to go unanswered - but not all.....
prayer.. billions of people have been praying for hundreds of years for peace.
other billions pray for happiness for mankind.
not one evidence exists that he hears or that he cares.. can anyone provide solid evidence that god answers prayers.
Come on!!! Let me get this straight.
You pick 2 days before christmas "an important christian festival for many" to start a debate on how God does not answer prayers?????
lol :¬)
the bible has 66 books (more if you're catholic, less if you're jewish), and multiple authors.
some of these authors claimed that some of what they wrote down was inspired by god.
that's hardly enough for someone to conclude that the bible claims inspiration for all of the words written by the multiple authors who were involved with writing "it" over the centuries.. .
((( Myth - the bible claims to be inspired by God.)))
Tricky one this - no-one can prove this claim is a myth. But also no-one can claim absolutely that the claim is true.
It boils down to opinion and faith.
To me passages of the bible seem to demonstrate an intelligence higher than human - the bible is truly unique.
this is a tough one.
so many to choose from.. i have to go with nib from their self titled first album.. "my name is lucifer, please take my hand...".
This is tricky - so many good ones but I will go with Heaven and Hell.
They say that life's a carousel Spinning fast, you've got to ride it well.
The world is full of Kings and Queens who blind your eyes and steal your dreams, It's Heaven and Hell, oh well.
And they'll tell you black is really white, The moon is just the sun at night
And when you walk in golden halls you get to keep the gold that falls It's Heaven and Hell
jehovahs day comes at this moment and u realize u were in the right place but because of leaving you are now doomed.
would everything gained (temporary) enjoyment worth it?.
I never left the truth - technically I was never in the truth.
But I was a jehovah's witness for 37 years - saw the light - and escaped.
